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Offline Shirley

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 07:38:12 am »
Ya know, while in the Sunrider game, you CAN hit the "s" key and it will save a screenshot....

Well, damn. I feel quite foolish.

TBH though, we know of that option because when the demo was out Samu-Kun provided a small manual on a separate webpage that probably no longer exists. XD
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Offline Spart117MC

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2015, 09:19:10 am »
Just finished the Alliance carrier and only just noticed it looks like its got stubby legs.  :-\

While I think the Paladin is probably similar (outwardly) to the standard, its performance seems a lot higher than a rank and file unit (remember that, in Shields words, the Black Jack was a cut above all the mass production models he had seen, at least until the Elites) . And the Sunrider isn't a regular carrier too, so the Alliance could safely send a prototype too without looking weird.

My headcannon is that the Paladin is a fine-tuned Bomber prototype. Due too being as slow as a BB it probably won't work normally, i.e. when the Carriers have to stay at the back. Having only kinetic cannons the Paladin should then need to basically fly to the frontline to be effective, and, well, she's very slow. The Alliance probably uses that ("it should work with Assault Carriers that launch their Ryders near the frontline" ) as an excuse. The Truth is that it probably is an specialized Infiltration Assault ryder, designed to simply pack as much punch as possible in that little frame to use it on surprise attacks.

So essentially the ryder equivalent of a sleeper car. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Ryders similar to Paladin don't necessarily have to be launched from assault carriers. Don't forget though according to lore crusiers can carry a handful of ryders as well.

wow so in fact those two litle turretes on the side where in fact trinity batteries uuuuh.... well there is still the 6 inch anti frigate canon but then it would be more like 1/4th or at least 1/3rd the damage power of the main gun really just to deal with frigate i guess

also damn i love this trumblr with the sunrider having turrets on his wing! XD tought the global shape was a bit too square XD

oooh i see...wait so this is in fact the vessel we have to rescue i see now XD well tis merchant and these rider look nice, i'm up for it good job

Mind you that's just what I think they are. The Tumblr post mentions there being two trinity batteries and those two guns were the only visible weapons to fir that description (assuming the trinities didn't take the current form of phaser arrays).

Yeah, the old Sunrider is damn interesting. It's pretty heavily decked out too. I think its got more guns mounted on it than Legion.

Thanks.


TBH though, we know of that option because when the demo was out Samu-Kun provided a small manual on a separate webpage that probably no longer exists. XD

Regardless, this seems like something I should have known.

Offline Inaho Rowe

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2015, 03:43:53 pm »
Just finished the Alliance carrier and only just noticed it looks like its got stubby legs.  :-\



wow so in fact those two litle turretes on the side where in fact trinity batteries uuuuh.... well there is still the 6 inch anti frigate canon but then it would be more like 1/4th or at least 1/3rd the damage power of the main gun really just to deal with frigate i guess

also damn i love this trumblr with the sunrider having turrets on his wing! XD tought the global shape was a bit too square XD

oooh i see...wait so this is in fact the vessel we have to rescue i see now XD well tis merchant and these rider look nice, i'm up for it good job

Mind you that's just what I think they are. The Tumblr post mentions there being two trinity batteries and those two guns were the only visible weapons to fir that description (assuming the trinities didn't take the current form of phaser arrays).

Yeah, the old Sunrider is damn interesting. It's pretty heavily decked out too. I think its got more guns mounted on it than Legion.

Thanks.


well that's actually logical, when i looked at those two i first tought it was strange that i wasn't able to clearly see the canon....

oh wait i hadn't saw the one under it's belly! damn it i'm also confident and pretty sure those circle on the side could be possible additional turrets mount! still having a gun under is quite usefull being that she is vulnerable from this angle

umu the hype is great, nice carrier

also this may be just a personal taste but for the ceran carrier i think pulse weaponery would be a good variety
and maybe the alliance carrier may be more varriable with the 6inch canon(tought i don't see where to put them XD)?
i'm saying this based on my personal view of the different faction being that the allaince feel a lot like the US, with big kinetic gun , while cera feel like japaness with top notch technology laser (well tought the japaness have the top notch big kinetic canon of the yamato.....XD)....pact? well.... i don't really know i would have said the soviets but it doesn't feet as the all rounder (with both laser and kinetict)
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Offline Spart117MC

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2015, 05:09:10 pm »
umu the hype is great, nice carrier

also this may be just a personal taste but for the ceran carrier i think pulse weaponery would be a good variety
and maybe the alliance carrier may be more varriable with the 6inch canon(tought i don't see where to put them XD)?
i'm saying this based on my personal view of the different faction being that the allaince feel a lot like the US, with big kinetic gun , while cera feel like japaness with top notch technology laser (well tought the japaness have the top notch big kinetic canon of the yamato.....XD)....pact? well.... i don't really know i would have said the soviets but it doesn't feet as the all rounder (with both laser and kinetict)

I'm working on it again to make it look less comical.

Not sure if I'll get around to making much Ceran equipment considering what happened to Cera. That and I'm not going to take on another project like the carrier again. It was way too much trouble.

Haven't seen any Alliance specific guns of that caliber so I doubt it (each of the factions have their own design for guns; Cera uses the Chicago Piano, SA uses fully enclosed turrets, PACT uses what resembles turbolasers).

I did some similar thinking but not quite in that manner. I was considering Alliance carriers to be substantially smaller than their PACT counterparts. The equivalent of light or escort carriers, more numerous, and faster able to keep pace with cruisers and the like. I'm looking to WW2 for this one. While the larger carriers like Enterprise and Yorktown are more famous, there were a countless more smaller carriers which did a significant amount of work. During WW2 the U.S. built 151 carriers. 122 of them were escort carriers. In that sense the Alliance would be like the US (I actually have a lot more to say but I'm running out of battery power).

Offline Inaho Rowe

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2015, 05:21:35 pm »
umu the hype is great, nice carrier

also this may be just a personal taste but for the ceran carrier i think pulse weaponery would be a good variety
and maybe the alliance carrier may be more varriable with the 6inch canon(tought i don't see where to put them XD)?
i'm saying this based on my personal view of the different faction being that the allaince feel a lot like the US, with big kinetic gun , while cera feel like japaness with top notch technology laser (well tought the japaness have the top notch big kinetic canon of the yamato.....XD)....pact? well.... i don't really know i would have said the soviets but it doesn't feet as the all rounder (with both laser and kinetict)

I'm working on it again to make it look less comical.

Not sure if I'll get around to making much Ceran equipment considering what happened to Cera. That and I'm not going to take on another project like the carrier again. It was way too much trouble.

Haven't seen any Alliance specific guns of that caliber so I doubt it (each of the factions have their own design for guns; Cera uses the Chicago Piano, SA uses fully enclosed turrets, PACT uses what resembles turbolasers).

I did some similar thinking but not quite in that manner. I was considering Alliance carriers to be substantially smaller than their PACT counterparts. The equivalent of light or escort carriers, more numerous, and faster able to keep pace with cruisers and the like. I'm looking to WW2 for this one. While the larger carriers like Enterprise and Yorktown are more famous, there were a countless more smaller carriers which did a significant amount of work. During WW2 the U.S. built 151 carriers. 122 of them were escort carriers. In that sense the Alliance would be like the US (I actually have a lot more to say but I'm running out of battery power).
i see i see well true for the ceran part indeed, my bad
as for the weaponry you may be right indeed
well like i said, i'm just putting down my tought, if a person motivated by your mod and see my idea, like it and pursue it then fine, if not then even if any agree with it or whatever XD so don't feel like i'm requesting XD so far even only the ceran battleship is great to me
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Offline Marx-93

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2015, 03:26:07 am »
Cool carrier!

So essentially the ryder equivalent of a sleeper car. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Ryders similar to Paladin don't necessarily have to be launched from assault carriers. Don't forget though according to lore crusiers can carry a handful of ryders as well.

Actually, that was probably my first idea: a bunch of pseudo-Paladins sitting outside of a Cruiser and being used as turrets I mean, it's not like Bombers serve as anything more... It got a little too silly though, even if I still thinks the idea is kinda cool.

Still, overall I doubt cruisers can really carry more advanced Ryders than Mooks. Carry them as in "hitching a ride" yes, but maintaining and launching them? i doubt it; I mean, the Bombers are complex enough that seem to cost twice to merely launch, and the idea of Cruisers carrying Ryders was actually based on old Battlecruisers carrying seaplanes to scout in WWI and WWII. Though I wouldn't mind seeing them.

I did some similar thinking but not quite in that manner. I was considering Alliance carriers to be substantially smaller than their PACT counterparts. The equivalent of light or escort carriers, more numerous, and faster able to keep pace with cruisers and the like. I'm looking to WW2 for this one. While the larger carriers like Enterprise and Yorktown are more famous, there were a countless more smaller carriers which did a significant amount of work. During WW2 the U.S. built 151 carriers. 122 of them were escort carriers. In that sense the Alliance would be like the US (I actually have a lot more to say but I'm running out of battery power).

While escort Carriers definitively need more recognition, I don't see the idea really fitting that well: an Assault Carrier (at least the Sunrider, the PACT one is more mixed bag) is basically a light carrier taking the unneeded flight deck and putting it every weapon you have there. And the idea was seen as extremely novel and innovative. The Alliance meanwhile hasn't fought a true war for 100 years, and while their technology, production and equipment is top notch it also seems to be really old. Heck, their Cruisers don't even have a shield, so maybe the design is older than 30 years or something like that. I don't think they really have a light Carrier in the sense of "more mobile Carrier to act as a detached force or protect the fleet carrier".

Now, a smaller carrier in the sense of a mostly auxiliary ship equipped probably with a shield and close to 0 weapons would make a lot of sense. Basically cheaper carriers to support their uncountable Cruisers, while their real carriers are even more massive.

And to be honest, I really don't think the old analogies fit. While the Alliance has a very US feel to it, it also has some other strange issues (in ships for example:the nation that was the more ballistic-happy was Japan by far, the US preferred to focus on radar and fire control, which fits more with PACT given they're the only ones with explicit Communication spire and Support Ryders). Cera though, considering she is the one that made the first get-close-ignore-shields-and-hit-with-kinetics ship id definitely not focused on laser.
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Offline Spart117MC

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2015, 11:49:07 pm »
i see i see well true for the ceran part indeed, my bad
as for the weaponry you may be right indeed
well like i said, i'm just putting down my tought, if a person motivated by your mod and see my idea, like it and pursue it then fine, if not then even if any agree with it or whatever XD so don't feel like i'm requesting XD so far even only the ceran battleship is great to me

Alright, I gotcha.

Cool carrier!

I'd hope so. :)

Actually, that was probably my first idea: a bunch of pseudo-Paladins sitting outside of a Cruiser and being used as turrets I mean, it's not like Bombers serve as anything more... It got a little too silly though, even if I still thinks the idea is kinda cool.

You saying that reminded me of that one NBSG episode where they're attacking the Cylon refinery and Lee's squadron sneaks in hidden in a cargo freighter.

While escort Carriers definitively need more recognition, I don't see the idea really fitting that well: an Assault Carrier (at least the Sunrider, the PACT one is more mixed bag) is basically a light carrier taking the unneeded flight deck and putting it every weapon you have there. And the idea was seen as extremely novel and innovative. The Alliance meanwhile hasn't fought a true war for 100 years, and while their technology, production and equipment is top notch it also seems to be really old. Heck, their Cruisers don't even have a shield, so maybe the design is older than 30 years or something like that. I don't think they really have a light Carrier in the sense of "more mobile Carrier to act as a detached force or protect the fleet carrier".

Now, a smaller carrier in the sense of a mostly auxiliary ship equipped probably with a shield and close to 0 weapons would make a lot of sense. Basically cheaper carriers to support their uncountable Cruisers, while their real carriers are even more massive.

And to be honest, I really don't think the old analogies fit. While the Alliance has a very US feel to it, it also has some other strange issues (in ships for example:the nation that was the more ballistic-happy was Japan by far, the US preferred to focus on radar and fire control, which fits more with PACT given they're the only ones with explicit Communication spire and Support Ryders). Cera though, considering she is the one that made the first get-close-ignore-shields-and-hit-with-kinetics ship id definitely not focused on laser.

I didn't mean to imply that their carriers were new or advanced. If anything I was of the opinion that they were as old as the rest of their fleet. There is a reason why we don't have escort carriers anymore and it makes sense that during the war (with the New Empire) the Alliance would have been doing its best to churn out as many carriers as possible rather than building titans.

I guess what I envisioned, and what I meant to say, was that Alliance carriers were smaller than their New Empire equivalents, them fielding standard fleet carriers, while the New Empire and later PACT had supercarriers as their mainstays. That and I was looking for an excuse not to go back and build a supercarrier for the Alliance.

Analogies aren't meant to be complete matches, that's why they're analogies. Here, look where the WW2 comparison works. When the U.S. started fighting in the Pacific theater they did so with pretty old and shoddy tech. Our pilots were flying ancient torpedo bombers, torpedoes that were more often than not duds, and our wildcats were more or less outclassed by the Zero. We also didn't have that many combat vets whereas Japan had tons of experienced veterans who'd been regularly conducting sorties against the Chinese. The Alliance is using a ton of outdated gear with mostly novice crews against trained former New Empire and Compact crews with extensive combat experience (having fought one another; its a wonder how they manage to get along).



Edit: I almost forgot. I edited the carrier again and made a new mock up. Have a look.

Offline Shirley

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 05:57:28 am »
Are you actually using Sketch-up?
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Offline Spart117MC

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2015, 08:07:12 am »
Are you actually using Sketch-up?

Yup



I'm using Twilight Render V2 to make the renders. Found some objects in the official models that indicated that that was the plugin used to render for the game so I chose it to make my renders as close as possible to those already in the game.

Offline Shirley

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2015, 06:12:33 pm »
Are you actually using Sketch-up?

Yup



I'm using Twilight Render V2 to make the renders. Found some objects in the official models that indicated that that was the plugin used to render for the game so I chose it to make my renders as close as possible to those already in the game.

....how are you doing that!??! I mean, that program is SO WEIRD when it comes to modeling. I couldn't use it at all....
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Offline Spart117MC

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2015, 11:13:53 pm »
....how are you doing that!??! I mean, that program is SO WEIRD when it comes to modeling. I couldn't use it at all....

Not as confusing as Blender's camera controls. I swear those devs are intentionally trying to give me an aneurysm.



Got another present for you all. Not as exciting as a Cera Battleship but a little nice in its own way. So it always bugged me that the Ryuvian ryders you had to face in that one side mission had PACT colors. So I recolored our beloved read as hated Nightmare to the same colors as Seraphim's.

Spoiler

Spoiler

The recolored Nightmare is not a replacer. Arcadius will still fly the PACT colored one, it's just the ryders encountered at Far Port that will be changed.

I'm still working on the other units I displayed earlier. I'm somewhat busy lately though and given that I'm also working on the Captain Maray mod it may take me some time to polishing them up to release quality.

Offline Histidine

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2015, 01:36:54 am »
Got another present for you all. Not as exciting as a Cera Battleship but a little nice in its own way. So it always bugged me that the Ryuvian ryders you had to face in that one side mission had PACT colors. So I recolored our beloved read as hated Nightmare to the same colors as Seraphim's.
Whoa, awesome!

Put in in the main game now! Now!

Offline Marx-93

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2015, 06:52:52 am »
... Those changing colors are very nice. I never quite knew why they were in red colours;Ii associated to it to being unmanned, but it was a little silly.
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Offline Void

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2015, 01:31:26 pm »
....how are you doing that!??! I mean, that program is SO WEIRD when it comes to modeling. I couldn't use it at all....

Not as confusing as Blender's camera controls. I swear those devs are intentionally trying to give me an aneurysm.



Got another present for you all. Not as exciting as a Cera Battleship but a little nice in its own way. So it always bugged me that the Ryuvian ryders you had to face in that one side mission had PACT colors. So I recolored our beloved read as hated Nightmare to the same colors as Seraphim's.

Spoiler

Spoiler

The recolored Nightmare is not a replacer. Arcadius will still fly the PACT colored one, it's just the ryders encountered at Far Port that will be changed.

I'm still working on the other units I displayed earlier. I'm somewhat busy lately though and given that I'm also working on the Captain Maray mod it may take me some time to polishing them up to release quality.

Wow... that's amazing!

I always thought it was weird as to why Nightmares was using PACT color schemes instead of Ryuvian... But I suck badly at recoloring in detail & using photoshop or renders in general, so yeah...

Your work is worthy of praise though, this is exactly how I imagine a Ryuvian Ryder would look like, it fits perfectly too! Nice job, good sir. 8)
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Offline Shirley

Re: Cera Battleship
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2015, 12:21:41 am »
I always thought it was weird as to why Nightmares was using PACT color schemes instead of Ryuvian... But I suck badly at recoloring in detail & using photoshop or renders in general, so yeah...

When you claim something as yours, you re-paint it so that you can strike fear into the enemies, and so your team doesn't accidentally mistaking you for an enemy unit, and so you represent the company you're working for/the brand/the side you're playing on.

It's why Kobe doesn't wear a clippers jersey anymore, or just a random colored Jersey with a different brand on it, etc.

And most of this I assume he's editing manually on Sketch-up, because all the textures are there.
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