Poll

Who is the traitor of Liberation Day?

Asaga
18 (26.9%)
Ava
5 (7.5%)
Chigara
17 (25.4%)
Cosette
1 (1.5%)
Claude
16 (23.9%)
Icari
2 (3%)
Kryska
2 (3%)
Sola
6 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 65

Author Topic: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]  (Read 18868 times)

Offline Shirley

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2015, 07:41:02 pm »
Ava is best waifu after all BMU.

Ava shit.

Chigara best.

Sola worse, but still gets an 8/10 on the moe charts.

You got it all wrong:
Ava->Sola->...->Chigara->Asaga

My good man Douman... You have the same thoughts as I do. :P

Are you saying that Asaga is above them all?



Let me end this, right here. Are you ready for this??

Sola has only been asleep for 3 months only. Let's just say, that by SOME miracle, PACT got to the zone before the Sunrider, and found the original Sola in the container, but then took her out, and replaced her with a clone and gave her all the memories of the original, and hoped that the blast would DESTORY the Sunrider and if it didn't, they had a back-up plan.

What if "Alpha" is the first attempt to clone Sola? What if PACT knew about Claude's whereabouts and lead the Sunrider to her with the assistance of the Pirates? They knew Claude would have info about the ship graveyard, and wanted to destroy the Sunrider because PACT knew the Sunrider was looking for an edge in the war.

Also, the resemblance: Check it.

Another thing, I superimposed the images. Sola's and Alpha's match, while Chigara's and Alpha's are off.
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Offline Douman

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2015, 06:03:57 am »
What's this about?
On right picute is Alpha? I'll get her too as waifu

Offline Shirley

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2015, 09:57:45 pm »
What's this about?
On right picute is Alpha? I'll get her too as waifu

Same.
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Offline Duke Rockhopper

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2015, 10:41:14 pm »
Ahh!!!!!! GJ! He's brought in evidence! What do we do?!

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Offline Revontulet

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2015, 10:52:21 pm »
Mmmmmmm...Alpha.
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Offline Marx-93

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2015, 11:48:01 pm »
I'm just going to say that a super-imposed image means close to nothing to me when Chigara is basically explicitly told as a clone of Arcadius (well another prototype in fact, but you understand) yet at the end of MoA they looked so different I even thought the theory was wrong.

On the theories: First, think. The one that passed information to PACT actually doesn't need to be traitor. I think that in fact everything points to it having been Chigara through her brainwaves either willing or unwilling. Second, one of the problems with this is the idea of traitor. I mean, if Asaga was to go mad with the power of the sharr, would it be really betraying? Why would she go with the prototypes she explicitly hates? Yeah, she may kill Chigara in an impulse, or she may oppose to whatever she is trying, but that doesn't explicitly mean betraying the captain. She is simply doing what she has been announcing all the time she's planned to do. Insubordination or even madness? Ok, but that's not a betrayal. I argued for something similar when earlier at MoA people pointed at Kryska: her being the betrayer doesn't really make sense, because betraying implies unexpectedly having been on the other side from the beginning. You can't be a betrayer when you're a known mole sent by your "ally" and always profess your total loyalty to said "ally".

So, with that, unless the sharr personality ends having been in cahoots with the prototypes from the beginning (which while unlikely is not fully discarded), I find Asaga is out. Also, if the whole "Sola is the traitor" it's true, then that implies Claude would probably be a traitor too. In the first place, how did she know where the Ryuvian graveyard with a still functioning super-dreadnought fully outclassing everything the galaxy has to offer was? If Sola was really tampered by someone, then her already extremely fishy knowledge becomes even fishier. Either she was given that information by someone manipulating the Sunrider (which she should have told someone else by now, given how important it ended being....) or she is in the plot itself (and then she could be masking Chigara's true nature in order to make Asaga even more suspicious of her). So, in my mind, Sola and Claude are a team. Perhaps, following my earlier thought perhaps Sola would be unwilling and thus Claude the true traitor?

Also, as a tidbit, the whole thing with Sola being half sharr refers to the fact that while Ryuvian superpowers come from genetic engineering, such was done in a way that it's transmitted to sons. Asaga it's the most obvious proof, what with the current Ryivia having lost all of their prowess yet she is still more powerful than Sola, born in the peak of its power (and the reason she's only "half" is because her mother was a commoner, while probably Asaga's mother had at least some distant royal parentage or was from a very distinguished lineage with similar enhancements).

Another one of my pet theories was that Ava could actually be the traitor, and the reason would be that PACT had her father imprisoned during the attack and was using him as hostage. Though given some later developments I think right now it's very unlikely.

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Offline AkioKlaus

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2015, 02:05:25 am »
since i was only eligiable for first beta... ill assume current ones are similar.. so asaga ;D
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Offline Histidine

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2015, 11:59:40 am »
I'm not really seeing any particular resemblance between Sola and Alpha in the images. (They have the same general build, but Sola has more convex shoulders/collarbone, and their facial features don't match)

Although I did notice Sola doesn't do the typical anime thing of eyebrows drawn over hair.

Offline [Astral|Zephyr]

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #53 on: December 25, 2015, 04:41:05 am »
Ava is best waifu after all BMU.

Ava shit.

Chigara best.

Sola worse, but still gets an 8/10 on the moe charts.

You got it all wrong:
Ava->Sola->...->Chigara->Asaga

My good man Douman... You have the same thoughts as I do. :P

Are you saying that Asaga is above them all?



Let me end this, right here. Are you ready for this??

Sola has only been asleep for 3 months only. Let's just say, that by SOME miracle, PACT got to the zone before the Sunrider, and found the original Sola in the container, but then took her out, and replaced her with a clone and gave her all the memories of the original, and hoped that the blast would DESTORY the Sunrider and if it didn't, they had a back-up plan.

What if "Alpha" is the first attempt to clone Sola? What if PACT knew about Claude's whereabouts and lead the Sunrider to her with the assistance of the Pirates? They knew Claude would have info about the ship graveyard, and wanted to destroy the Sunrider because PACT knew the Sunrider was looking for an edge in the war.

Also, the resemblance: Check it.

Another thing, I superimposed the images. Sola's and Alpha's match, while Chigara's and Alpha's are off.

I think he meant that it's the other way around. :P

Aaanyways... Sola's condition might be explained in the brief summary in the Liberation Day home page on her character description.

Something about bizarre timelines, time devices, & all those thingamajigs. And after looking closely between Sola & Alpha, I don't really see that much resemblance. But that could be just my POV, since people have differing opinion, tested it when Ender looked at the map I made yesterday, he saw purple when I clearly made it blue, & that's just colors lol.
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Offline Gamerjunkie

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2015, 07:36:09 am »
Ahh!!!!!! GJ! He's brought in evidence! What do we do?!

It's okay, Duke! We just need to modify our theory!

*throws his current folder on Claude off to the side before grabbing more papers and scribbling things on them*

Claude is an agent of PACT, sent to lead the Sunrider to Sola. Cosette was tipped off that an unarmed transport would be passing through the area, right when the Sunrider arrived mid-attack. Cosette would not have been informed of the plan, and when she called in PACT reinforcements, Porkchops would have had no choice but to maintain the deception. A rendezvous point would have been agreed upon beforehand by Claude and PACT, which was the same point the Sunrider was ambushed and Asaga left.

Alpha is possibly one of the Sola mirrors mentioned in SA, or the weird-ass voice Kayto heard a few times in Sola's route; Maybe she's both. In that case, she might be looking to "integrate" with the Sola on-board Sunrider.

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Offline Douman

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2015, 11:22:27 am »
I don't care: All my waifus are holy  ::)

Offline Duke Rockhopper

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2015, 01:03:54 pm »
I think if Sola was the traitor, it wouldn't work with Arcadius. It was mentioned in MoA that he was very interested in getting as much ancient technology as he could. If Sola was working with PACT, I find it hard to believe he'd have left all the royal guard ships and the Sharr'Lac just sat there rather than taking them and reverse-engineering them to upgrade his fleet. You could argue that they were left as bait, but given how it turned out, it seems a colossal waste to me if he knew about it beforehand.

This does however throw a spanner in the Claude theory. If she knew about stuff in that region, she would likely have told her commander. I'm just going to hope that her guiding them there was a guess on her part.

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Offline Plophos

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2015, 06:49:47 am »
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I think if Sola was the traitor, it wouldn't work with Arcadius. It was mentioned in MoA that he was very interested in getting as much ancient technology as he could. If Sola was working with PACT, I find it hard to believe he'd have left all the royal guard ships and the Sharr'Lac just sat there rather than taking them and reverse-engineering them to upgrade his fleet

I don't think that this is an point angainst the Sola theory. When Sola is with Arcadius from the beginning she could give them plans, builds and technology before waiting to infiltrate the Sunrider or enemys. But it includes that Sola is put in her tank by PACT. Three Month is not that much time for someone who is 2000 years old. And the fact she has only half of the sharr power doesn't fit with the ryuvan rules of DNA manipulation. So there could be an manipulation by PACT. But somehow i think more and more that there is an 3rd party involved beside PACT and the Alliance wich is exploiting all parties...
   

Offline GeonteneArgon00

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2015, 06:10:29 am »
Ava is best waifu after all BMU.

Ava shit.

Chigara best.

Sola worse, but still gets an 8/10 on the moe charts.

You got it all wrong:
Ava->Sola->...->Chigara->Asaga

My good man Douman... You have the same thoughts as I do. :P

Are you saying that Asaga is above them all?



Let me end this, right here. Are you ready for this??

Sola has only been asleep for 3 months only. Let's just say, that by SOME miracle, PACT got to the zone before the Sunrider, and found the original Sola in the container, but then took her out, and replaced her with a clone and gave her all the memories of the original, and hoped that the blast would DESTORY the Sunrider and if it didn't, they had a back-up plan.

What if "Alpha" is the first attempt to clone Sola? What if PACT knew about Claude's whereabouts and lead the Sunrider to her with the assistance of the Pirates? They knew Claude would have info about the ship graveyard, and wanted to destroy the Sunrider because PACT knew the Sunrider was looking for an edge in the war.

Also, the resemblance: Check it.

Another thing, I superimposed the images. Sola's and Alpha's match, while Chigara's and Alpha's are off.

At the same time, it could be a bit more complicated then you think.

Spoiler
I don't think the Alpha Prototype sis artificial human created from the DNA of either Sola or some other Ryuvian royal - or at least not a genuine one. I do however thing it's tied to Ryuvia since there are wisps of this power-trip of Arcadius being almost like an extension of the Ryuvian War where dissidents try to claim power. That's also supported by how in the Beta, Alice cited she wanted the Sharr'lac's power - does that mean the dreadnought that blew up wasn't the real Sharr'lac, or that it wasn't the only one? Or does "Sharr'lac" refer to the power in the Ryuvian bloodline as opposed to a physical weapon of war and that machines like the dreadnought were just a tool to awaken that?

Getting off topic - anyway, I think the Alpha may be an extension of a Ryuvian Legacy that Diode was researching, which lead to their little revolt (the Diode Catastrophe). And from there... the other Prototypes were made from Alpha. I think "Alpha Prototype" isn't just a designator for her having a position of leadership - I think she's the one that all the other Prototypes were derived from. They aren't perfect clones - more like bio-engineered replications based off Alpha's DNA as a template.

Offline Shirley

Re: FINAL VOTE: Which waifu is the traitor? [!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!]
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2015, 09:47:53 am »
My theories have attracted 2 new members who rarely visit and speak, and they have some fun theories as well.
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