Author Topic: Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.  (Read 1283 times)

Offline SharrOfRyuvia

Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.
« on: January 16, 2016, 08:03:11 am »
Starting this up so that I can have the whole community's opinion regarding the pages. I've... well, to be blunt, done a lot of work for the Wiki, and almost caught up on everything. I've just got a break from school and am going to resume editing Chigara's profile.

But for the sake of just knowing, I intend to post links here to each of the wiki-pages I've done so as to see if anyone has any comments they would like to add regarding what I've done. Doing this to make sure my efforts aren't in vain.

For the sake of trying to create a flowing narrative, I've tried to blend in the Novelization and Game's respective story elements together -  though as a rule of thumb I take from the game as the superior source if anything conflicts. I treat "bonus content" stuff in the Novel (like the term "Medichines" or Ava's father being as physically abusive as he was in Sunrider Academy) as being cannon, but direct conflicts in info will be overruled by what's in the game. 

Finally, I've been thinking of adding a "trivia-section" to the characters where miscellaneous bits from Sunrider lore and fandom regarding each character can be placed (examples: Ava would get a trivia-note about Academy-based aspects of her being 'canonized' in the Novel, Maray would get a notation about how she was actually based off the original concept of Sola, Sola would get a notation of having become a surprise fan-service girl because of her big butt, ect). If anyone has any ideas of things to add for the trivia bits, I'd be all ears.

Offline Marx-93

Re: Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 08:39:07 am »
Maybe Kryska's change in design? Early on she was supposed to have short straight hair and didn't looks as much of a tomboy.

Over the rest, I always planned to go back to the wiki when I had more time, so I'll look closely to what you've done. For now it seems you have the right idea, though as an addendum, "Veniczar", wooly's 2nd novel, is totally canon and in the same level as the game.
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Offline SharrOfRyuvia

Re: Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 09:28:57 am »
First of the articles up for review - muh Waifu ;D

http://sunrider.gamepedia.com/Sola_vi_Ryuvia

(P.S. - please note that, due to a lack of personal funds, I am not presently a patron and thus have not had access to the latest LD beta, so I cannot add new details to the LD section as of yet).

Updated: January 16, 2016, 09:31:36 am
Maybe Kryska's change in design? Early on she was supposed to have short straight hair and didn't looks as much of a tomboy.

Over the rest, I always planned to go back to the wiki when I had more time, so I'll look closely to what you've done. For now it seems you have the right idea, though as an addendum, "Veniczar", wooly's 2nd novel, is totally canon and in the same level as the game.

Ah - I actually forgot all about that. Thanks for the reminder :D

And yeah, I know Veniczar is cannon, but I haven't gotten to that bit yet - plus as a current non-patron, I sadly don't have access to it yet. For now, I'm focusing on the Novelization & game elements.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 09:31:36 am by SharrOfRyuvia »

Offline SharrOfRyuvia

Re: Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 09:09:34 pm »
Well, in celebration of LB coming out in a few weeks, am pushing to get the Wiki up-to-date. Here's another bio to review - the Faux-doctor!

http://sunrider.gamepedia.com/Claude_Triello#

Also, a tentative list of 'trivia' I gathered for peer review - some of it referencing the tropes pages a bit (WARNING - because of potential spoilers in the trivia, it is naturally hidden in a spoiler tab!)

Spoiler
Kayto
- In the first draft of the story, Kayto wasn’t military-trained or even a native of Cera, instead being conceived as a freelance trader with his sister who would end up thrust into a leadership position on the Sunrider. This background was later adapted for Asaga and Chigara, only with the pair being best friends instead of siblings.
- Originally, Kayto and Sola were meant to be siblings. Echoes of this intent can be seen in how the two have something of a lingering physical resemblance in aspects of their designs, foremost being their shared white hair.
- Kayto can arguably be compared to Fate/Stay Night protagonist Shioru Emiya in regards to the Moralist path, and can also be compared to the Shirou’s alternate-timeline counterpart Archer in regards to the Prince path. Both are different takes on a single person, emphasizing differing elements of a normally good-natured man - one is idealistic and wishes to save everyone, the other is cynical and is willing to sacrifice.

Maray
- Originally, the role of Kayto’s sister was actually filled by Sola. It wasn’t until later on that Katyo’s sister was redesigned as an entirely separate character with a different name and an almost completely-reversed personality from the stoic, quiet one chosen for Sola. Additionally, the photo of Maray in Kayto’s office is actually the prototype concept for Sola.

Ava
- As of the first Liberation Day beta, Ava still held the title of most voted-for best 'waifu' in the game in spite of her standoffish nature.
- In the original draft of the story, Ava had never met Kayto until the latter stumbled aboard the Sunrider one day and was thrust into the command seat.
- Ava is regarded as being a victim of the ‘hidden buxom’ trope by Asaga in the Novelization, as her officer’s uniform and cold personality often hides or distracts from her figure. This would later be lampshaded in Sunrider: Academy during Ava’s route where Kayto remarks he never really noticed how incredibly curvaceous Ava is because of her choice in clothes and stern, almost off-putting demeanor.
- The Novelization shows Ava having more moments of emotion then in the Visual Novel, most prominent of which being Claude’s attempted molesting of Kayto; in the Novel, she screams in rage, shock and embarrassment whereas in the Visual Novel she is indifferent or, at the very least, trying to ignore the awkwardness of what she’s seeing.

Asaga
- In the original rough-draft of the story, Asaga was meant to be an ace fighter-pilot as Ryders weren’t an implemented element at the time. A shout-out to this exists in the game when Chigara mentions that Asaga flew a surplus fighter prior to her owning the Black Jack.
- Ironically, Asaga has never once won any of the character polls in spite of having claimed (in out-of-universe shorts) that she was supposed to be the female lead of the series.
- Asaga’s increasingly bitter nature towards Chigara in Liberation Day could be seen as an indirect mirroring of events in the popularity poll shorts, in which Asaga became more and more depressed that she’d lost out three times in a row to Chigara and never won even once.

Sola
- Originally, Sola was conceived as being the main character Kayto’s younger sister in the first draft of the story, and that this is why both Kayto and Sola where designed with platinum/white hair. In fact, the picture of the young Maray in Kayto’s quarters is actually the original concept-image for Sola.
- While her figure is described as being generally modest, Sola has been widely noted as having a very prominent rear-end and hips, as well as how Sola’s character-sprite often faces away from the screen in a way that shows off her back and rear. Much like the character C.C. from the popular mecha-series Code Geass, Sola has become something of an unexpected fan-service icon because of her shapely backside-assets, even starring in a promotional Christmas print alongside the running ‘model-girl’ Claude.
-- Also like C.C. from Code Geass, Sola is regarded as a lonely and detached woman from a long-ago age, initially desiring to die as the world around her no longer held any meaning for her and slowly regaining a desire to care about her own life again.
- It’s noted in her official bio that Sola is at least partly aware of the events her alternate-reality counterparts live through, and that she had come in direct contact with one parallel of the Sunrider Academy Kayto - the one that falls in love with his own timeline’s Sola. This makes the original Sola the only character from the main series who had a (confirmed) direct appearance in Sunrider Academy.

Icari
- Icari practically won the character poll immediately after her debut. Out of all the characters not introduced in the first airing of the game’s beta, Icari attained the fastest win in the franchise’s publication history between the time of the contest-results and the time of her first appearance.
- In Mask of Arcadius’ original script, an entire chapter was devoted to tracking down the ship and PACT captain responsible for her family’s death. This would in turn result in a hunt that would culminate with the choice of allowing a bioweapon to render a world uninhabitable in order to kill the PACT captain, or to save the world at the cost of letting the PACT captain go.

Kryska
- Kryska’s character design saw notable revision during her development, originally having had short straight hair and lacking the more tomboyish appearance she would later have.
- Kryska’s budding friendship and possible romance with Icari could be seen as one of the many instances that follow the common trope of “the odd couple” - two people of extreme opposites becoming very close over time.
- In spite of giving her age as 22, it’s been noted that Kryska is actually of equal age to the rest of the crew - around 25 years - and that the discrepancy is because she judges her age by the Solar Alliance’s calendar, which runs differently from, and apparently slower then,  the Ceren calendar. Added to this is that Kryska's age on her forged transcripts may have been given as younger then her actual age, so as to make her seem like a less-experienced common soldier instead of a highly-trained spec-ops.
- Out of the entire female cast, Kryska is thus far the only member of the Sunrider's current crew who has not expressed any romantic attraction to Kayto. Whether this is because she is not attracted to men, does not see Kayto as anything more then a friend or simply is better at hiding romantic attraction then the other females is yet to be seen.

Claude
- Claude has become something of the public fan-service icon for Sunrider, even appearing in a special Christmas promotional image for the game alongside the surprise fan-service girl Sola.
- In the original cut for Mask of Arcadius’ plot, Claude somehow managed to become the replacement executive officer for the Sunrider after Ava left the ship for a diplomatic mission with the Alliance. She took this opportunity to once again try and seduce Kayto - culminating in a purportedly-comical scene where she was all but “spilling out” of her officer’s uniform, which was likely one of Ava’s own spares. She would also end up having to take emergency command of the vessel - possibly without Kayto’s presence, as it was never specified if he was deposed as well for whatever reason - when PACT launches a surprise attack on the ship.
- Claude was regarded as one of the easiest picks for being the teased ’traitor’ due to her being the pilot with the least-explained backstory, as well as it tending to be a trope that the ‘airhead’ is smarter then they seem.
- A version of Claude apparently exists in Sunrider Academy as a student, having propositioned a ‘Kayto Shields Appreciation Club’ after the Council Vice President was scandalized by Asaga’s carelessness regarding her joking about an incident in the Kendo Club’s storage room.
— It is also speculated that Claude may have been the mysterious voice the Academy Kayto encounters in Sola’s route, as it noted that Kayto was attractive even in his ‘younger form’, suggesting she’d met either the Captain Kayto from the main games or at least one variant of him.

Chigara
- Chigara was an early favorite for the best character polls, having won at least twice and even once ending in a three-way tie with Ava and Sola.
- Chigara was regarded as one of the easiest picks for being the teased ‘traitor’ aboard the Sunrider for Liberation Day due to her apparent connection with Arcadius, which had been long-standing from the moment the latter was first seen due to their similar character sprites regarding the hairstyles and sizes.
- If Sunrider Academy is any indication, Chigara is actually a fair bit older then her appearance would let on, if equal enough to Kayto in age that she would be in the same school as him - meaning that in Sunrider, Chigara’s age in Ceren years could be anywhere between 26 and 28.
— However, if Sunrider Academy’s routes are this valid, it would also make Chigara’s age a moot point as it suggests Chigara is in fact a Prototype and, like the rest of her “siblings”, was artificially grown and aged.

Cosette
- Data-mining in the Sunrider games shows there was an R&D menu icon for Cosette’s Ryder, the Havoc, in the game files - pointing to the fact that Cosette was, either at some point in the games or in a future installment, meant to be recruited into the ship’s compliment. It’s likely that it was meant to be used at a latter date, but the decision to release Liberation Day as a separate title meant it never saw use in the original - though it did foreshadow the capture of Cosette and the choice to add her Ryder to the Sunrider’s forces.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 09:17:50 pm by SharrOfRyuvia »

Offline Trades46

Re: Wiki Page Peer-Review & Triva-Idea section.
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2016, 11:24:27 pm »
Cosette
- Data-mining in the Sunrider games shows there was an R&D menu icon for Cosette’s Ryder, the Havoc, in the game files - pointing to the fact that Cosette was, either at some point in the games or in a future installment, meant to be recruited into the ship’s compliment. It’s likely that it was meant to be used at a latter date, but the decision to release Liberation Day as a separate title meant it never saw use in the original - though it did foreshadow the capture of Cosette and the choice to add her Ryder to the Sunrider’s forces.

Well I was about to ask that when I probed the game files a while back just to make sure Cosette wasn't a secret unlock-able (or *gasp* DLC content).

Many thanks.
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