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Offline deathzealotzero

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 05:33:36 am »
Okay. Just finished my second play-through of LB with 2.0 Update. I shall just copy and paste my thoughts on it from my Steam Review.

Originally, I played through this game and was quite enjoying it. The Japanese VAs were at first gratting but once the game picked up I started to like them. As for the Linear Storyline, I wasn't all that happy about it but I am a fan of Chiraga therefore didn't really mind it all that much. The game play itself was still similar to the other games in the series but adds some new stuff like Paladin's draw fire command, and the new mercenaries added to the game. This resulted in larger battles which where quite interesting.

Then came the ending, and I just couldn't not believe what had happened. I was upset and angry at it like many others I am sure. I kind of figured there would be another game after this thanks to the TBC banner. But still the ending just was punch in the gut. One that I did not see coming. I get that Love In Space wanted a Cliffhanger that would bring in more players for the next half of the series. I understand that. But that wasn't the way to do a cliffhanger. As a writer and reader of fanfiction myself doing a cliffhanger like that often ends up with many readers dropping the story all together due to anger and such.

A few hours after I beat the game I calmed down to look at the ending without being upset and I wondered what the next game would bring with the main ship and character dead. Finally Samu-kun announced the 2.0 update. I was at first was like it wasn't going to change much at all. Therefore wasn't expecting much to change when I played through the game a second time with the 2.0 update added. I may have missed a few of the new changes made to the story line as I was just breezing through the game to get to the ending to see what changes where made.

Finally the ending started.

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At first I was like okay no real changes then the music changed and the missing two Ryders of the Sunrider Team show up to save the day. I was cheering like crazy, pumping my fist in celebration. But the Sunrider was still destroyed and my mood dropped like a rock wondering what was going to happen now. Then we see Kayto being saved by the Prototype Lynn. And I let out the breath that I did not know I was holding. I was like okay the Sunrider is destroyed, but the majority of the cast are okay, with only two dead. Then WHAM. Hello Claude I thought you were dead! My mood start soaring. Though I really don't know what to think of her know with what she has revealed to Alpha. Especially when it was mentioned that Chigara maybe still alive as well. I was like alright things are looking up. Then we get a peak into the second phase of the Neutral Rim War. While the Sunrider Crew gather themselves after the disaster that was the aftermath of the Second Battle of Cera. The crew split up to prepare themselves for the next stage of the war. Then we get the same after-credit scene that the original ending had. Which makes things far more interesting and grimdark. Leading into a next step of the series Though I do admit the ghost!Chigara scene freaked me out. Now that people is how you do a cliffhanger!
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Offline Gamerjunkie

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 07:17:30 am »
Finished the new ending. Going to go back and replay the entire thing to see all the new stuff.

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I would like to point out that I totally called it.

Claude was totally feeding the Prototypes information. Might not have gotten the details right, but I got the right person!

I suspect she'll come into play in whatever installment comes next, since Samu seems like he'll be putting in actual romance routes in the next game. Especially with Sola. I think I know whose voice that was in Sola's SA route now.

Also, now that I think about it, there were really 4 traitors by the end. 5, if you spare Cosette.

First, we have Asaga going nuts about Chigara.
Next, we have possessed-Chigara killing everyone.
Third, we have Kryska, who was about to kill Kayto, but stopped and then betrayed the Alliance.
If you spare Cosette, she turns and runs as soon as she possibly can.
And finally, we have Claude. Doing Claude things.
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Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2016, 04:46:15 am »
Finished the new ending. Going to go back and replay the entire thing to see all the new stuff.

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I would like to point out that I totally called it.

Claude was totally feeding the Prototypes information. Might not have gotten the details right, but I got the right person!

I suspect she'll come into play in whatever installment comes next, since Samu seems like he'll be putting in actual romance routes in the next game. Especially with Sola. I think I know whose voice that was in Sola's SA route now.

Also, now that I think about it, there were really 4 traitors by the end. 5, if you spare Cosette.

First, we have Asaga going nuts about Chigara.
Next, we have possessed-Chigara killing everyone.
Third, we have Kryska, who was about to kill Kayto, but stopped and then betrayed the Alliance.
If you spare Cosette, she turns and runs as soon as she possibly can.
And finally, we have Claude. Doing Claude things.
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I would like to point out that I also totally called it! We were right, Master GJ!
Oh man, that was a MUCH better ending. I can't express in words how much better I feel after this one than the last one. So much action! And feels! And a new waifu! PACT redheads get the Rockhopper Seal of Approval!

So, when's the next one out?

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Offline SharrOfRyuvia

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2016, 06:48:24 am »
Finished the new ending. Going to go back and replay the entire thing to see all the new stuff.

Spoiler
I would like to point out that I totally called it.

Claude was totally feeding the Prototypes information. Might not have gotten the details right, but I got the right person!

I suspect she'll come into play in whatever installment comes next, since Samu seems like he'll be putting in actual romance routes in the next game. Especially with Sola. I think I know whose voice that was in Sola's SA route now.

Also, now that I think about it, there were really 4 traitors by the end. 5, if you spare Cosette.

First, we have Asaga going nuts about Chigara.
Next, we have possessed-Chigara killing everyone.
Third, we have Kryska, who was about to kill Kayto, but stopped and then betrayed the Alliance.
If you spare Cosette, she turns and runs as soon as she possibly can.
And finally, we have Claude. Doing Claude things.

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Actually, if you think about it, almost everyone was a traitor by the end in one way or another, though whether it was willing or not varies;

1> Asaga betrayed the Sunrider Crew, reacting out of jealousy and paranoia to Chigara being with Kayto.
2> Chigara betrayed everyone, being mind-jack by Alice to murder Gray and most of the delegates at Cera, though it was an unwilling betrayal-by-possession.
3> Icari betrayed the Alliance, which she had been an advocate of joining in order to stop PACT.
4> Gray betrayed Kayto, having duped him into thinking the Alliance destroyed the Paradox Core while having secretly kept it's designs after studying it, then trying to destroy Cera after being fatally shot in the "Liberation Day Massacre" (though he admittedly only did so because he thought Fontana and PACT had played them all for fools).
5> Kryska betrayed Kayto by being part of the deception regarding the Paradox Core's secrets being discarded, then she betrayed the Alliance after being persuaded by Icari.
6> Kayto betrayed the Alliance, PACT and the entire Sunrider crew, albeit unwittingly, by letting his emotions for Chigara cloud his judgement and blind him to the affairs of his crew, ultimately resulting in Chigara's death, the loss of the Sunrider itself and a resounding failure to liberate Cera.
7> Cosette (if she was spared) betrayed Kayto, having pretty much fought with him purely so that she could have her chance to escape his custody in the chaos of the resulting battle and shoot down some Alliance units in the process as a bonus - not to mention take potshots at attacking PACT units as payback for Fontana abandoning her at Helion.
8> Claude betrayed the Sunrider Crew, conspiring with the Alpha Prototype all this time and having doctored Chigara's medical records to hide that she was a Prototype from Ava and Kayto.
9> Fontana (technically) betrayed Kayto, destroying any goodwill Kayto had in his character by shooting the unwitting Chigara dead through the back - though he arguably did have justification since Chigara, having briefly been Alice/Arcadius' vessel, had just ensured the continuation of the bloody war in the Neutral Rim.
10> Sola (technically) betrayed her oaths, since she should have been obligated to put Asaga down when the latter went mad but instead couldn't bring herself to do it - which arguably contributed in Claude's "death".
11> Ava (technically) betrayed Kayto by refusing to remember their old promises - and, by her own admission, her inability to be the understanding and reassuring second that Kayto was to her in high-school arguably contributed greatly to the following mess of the LibDay Massacre.
12> Alice/Arcadius betrayed the Alpha Prototype and the original Arcadius, turning against the latter's goal of uniting humanity against the Ebon Fleet and instead opting to try and either enslave them or wipe them out wholesale - which was also a betrayal of the original Arcadius' ideals.

Granted, Fontana, Sola and Ava's are only on technicality, but pretty much everyone WAS a traitor, with the only exceptions being Alpha and Kuushina.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2016, 07:15:12 pm by SharrOfRyuvia »

Offline Marx-93

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2016, 08:22:35 am »
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Actually, if you think about it, almost everyone was a traitor by the end in one way or another, though whether it was willing or not varies;

1> Asaga betrayed the Sunrider Crew, reacting out of jealousy and paranoia to Chigara being with Kayto.
2> Chigara betrayed everyone, being mind-jack by Alice to murder Gray and most of the delegates at Cera, though it was an unwilling betrayal-by-possession.
3> Icari betrayed the Alliance, which she had been an advocate of joining in order to stop PACT.
4> Gray betrayed Kayto, having duped him into thinking the Alliance destroyed the Paradox Core while having secretly kept it's designs after studying it, then trying to destroy Cera after being fatally shot in the "Liberation Day Massacre" (though he admittedly only did so because he thought Fontana and PACT had played them all for fools).
5> Kryska betrayed Kayto by being part of the deception regarding the Paradox Core's secrets being discarded, then she betrayed the Alliance after being persuaded by Icari.
6> Kayto betrayed the Alliance, PACT and the entire Sunrider crew, albeit unwittingly, by letting his emotions for Chigara cloud his judgement and blind him to the affairs of his crew, ultimately resulting in Chigara's death, the loss of the Sunrider itself and a resounding failure to liberate Cera.
7> Cosette (if she was spared) betrayed Kayto, having pretty much fought with him purely so that she could have her chance to escape his custody in the chaos of the resulting battle and shoot down some Alliance units in the process as a bonus - not to mention take potshots at attacking PACT units as payback for Fontana abandoning her at Helion.
8> Claude betrayed the Sunrider Crew, conspiring with the Alpha Prototype all this time and having doctored Chigara's medical records to hide that she was a Prototype from Ava and Kayto.
9> Fontana (technically) betrayed Kayto, destroying any goodwill Kayto had in his character by shooting the unwitting Chigara dead through the back - though he arguably did have justification since Chigara, having briefly been Alice/Arcadius' vessel, had just ensured the continuation of the bloody war in the Neutral Rim.

Really, the only ones who didn't do any betraying were Ava and Sola - though Fontana counts as well if you do decide to discount his killing Chigara as a real betrayal.


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Actually, you can even count Sola betraying Asaga, considering she was disposed to kill her when she went on rampage. It's understandable in the same vein as Fontana, but considering Sola had basically vowed loyalty to her Queen it certainly counts.
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Offline NewAgeOfPower

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2016, 07:01:03 pm »
My thoughts are on this thread's link.
@Sharr

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Indeed, even Ava arguably betrayed her and Kayto's promise. Towards the end of the 2.00 LD patch, she literally stated if she wasn't so self-dishonest prior to the Battle of Helion, this entire mess could have been avoided.

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Offline Endershadow

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2016, 02:33:28 pm »
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And the fact that you could say everyone was a traitor is why I put a bunch of ;D in one of my posts where who the traitor might be was being discussed.

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Offline SharrOfRyuvia

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2016, 07:09:07 pm »
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And the fact that you could say everyone was a traitor is why I put a bunch of ;D in one of my posts where who the traitor might be was being discussed.

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Who was that anyway who first said "everyone's the traitor?" Was that you? If so, someone really needs to give you a medal for that wonderfully-accurate tactical forecast :D

Updated: March 15, 2016, 07:10:09 pm
Spoiler
Actually, if you think about it, almost everyone was a traitor by the end in one way or another, though whether it was willing or not varies;

1> Asaga betrayed the Sunrider Crew, reacting out of jealousy and paranoia to Chigara being with Kayto.
2> Chigara betrayed everyone, being mind-jack by Alice to murder Gray and most of the delegates at Cera, though it was an unwilling betrayal-by-possession.
3> Icari betrayed the Alliance, which she had been an advocate of joining in order to stop PACT.
4> Gray betrayed Kayto, having duped him into thinking the Alliance destroyed the Paradox Core while having secretly kept it's designs after studying it, then trying to destroy Cera after being fatally shot in the "Liberation Day Massacre" (though he admittedly only did so because he thought Fontana and PACT had played them all for fools).
5> Kryska betrayed Kayto by being part of the deception regarding the Paradox Core's secrets being discarded, then she betrayed the Alliance after being persuaded by Icari.
6> Kayto betrayed the Alliance, PACT and the entire Sunrider crew, albeit unwittingly, by letting his emotions for Chigara cloud his judgement and blind him to the affairs of his crew, ultimately resulting in Chigara's death, the loss of the Sunrider itself and a resounding failure to liberate Cera.
7> Cosette (if she was spared) betrayed Kayto, having pretty much fought with him purely so that she could have her chance to escape his custody in the chaos of the resulting battle and shoot down some Alliance units in the process as a bonus - not to mention take potshots at attacking PACT units as payback for Fontana abandoning her at Helion.
8> Claude betrayed the Sunrider Crew, conspiring with the Alpha Prototype all this time and having doctored Chigara's medical records to hide that she was a Prototype from Ava and Kayto.
9> Fontana (technically) betrayed Kayto, destroying any goodwill Kayto had in his character by shooting the unwitting Chigara dead through the back - though he arguably did have justification since Chigara, having briefly been Alice/Arcadius' vessel, had just ensured the continuation of the bloody war in the Neutral Rim.

Really, the only ones who didn't do any betraying were Ava and Sola - though Fontana counts as well if you do decide to discount his killing Chigara as a real betrayal.


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Actually, you can even count Sola betraying Asaga, considering she was disposed to kill her when she went on rampage. It's understandable in the same vein as Fontana, but considering Sola had basically vowed loyalty to her Queen it certainly counts.

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Good point. Hell, as stated before, even Ava technically did enact a betrayal - only difference is that it arguably was done in MoA instead of LibDay.

Offline Endershadow

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2016, 06:21:35 pm »
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And the fact that you could say everyone was a traitor is why I put a bunch of ;D in one of my posts where who the traitor might be was being discussed.

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Who was that anyway who first said "everyone's the traitor?" Was that you? If so, someone really needs to give you a medal for that wonderfully-accurate tactical forecast :D

It wasn't me and I never mentioned it because I had access to the script because I was a contractual dev for the game.

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Offline Kabalist

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2016, 08:52:18 am »
Well,  it`s kinda hilarious but the most scary moment for me was...
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...Chigara`s YANDERE line during her fight with Alice in the mindstream.
"Captain... CHIGARA IS COMING FOR YOU..."
Ugh... *shivers*
And if she somehow "melds" with Alice: "But what will emerge from that battle... will not be either of them."
Nah, I don`t wanna even think about this...
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 10:52:20 am by Kabalist »
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Online Duke Rockhopper

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2016, 09:26:00 am »
Well,  it`s kinda hilarious but the most scary moment for me was...
Spoiler
...Chigara`s YANDERE line during her fight with Alice in the mindstream.
"Captain... CHIGARA IS COMING FOR YOU..."
Ugh... *shivers*
And if she somehow "melds" with Alice: "But what will emerge from that battle... will not be either of them.
Nah, I don`t wanna even think about this...
I'm loving it XD Here's to hoping that continues into the next game for more scariness!

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Offline Kabalist

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2016, 10:19:12 am »
I'm loving it XD Here's to hoping that continues into the next game for more scariness!
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Yes, it means no new waifu. `cos CHIGARA IS COOOMIIING FOOOR YOOOUU, KAITOOO!!!  ;D ;D
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Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2016, 10:25:49 am »
I'm loving it XD Here's to hoping that continues into the next game for more scariness!
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Yes, it means no new waifu. `cos CHIGARA IS COOOMIIING FOOOR YOOOUU, KAITOOO!!!  ;D ;D
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Well, maybe her bottom-tier personality will get a bit more interesting at least ;)

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Offline Kabalist

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2016, 10:54:34 am »
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Well, maybe her bottom-tier personality will get a bit more interesting at least ;)
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Looks like someone loves the girls with a little bit of craziness...
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Offline Jynx

Re: Liberation Day - THE END (forum for those who finished the game)
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2016, 07:36:00 pm »
Finished it, both 1.0 and 2.0.
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The ending was utterly ridicolous, from Chigara being mind-controlled, to the fact that a couple of drones were enough to kill the entire leadership of the Solar Alliance (no guards? Seriously? Also why there weren't any PACT officers, but there were PACT troops nearby?), to the even more ridicolous progression (it should have been clear to everyone that everything was the Prototype's doing, so why the Alliance decided to attack PACT?).
Also, Claude has become the definition of plot device, Asaga and Sola could have never made it in time (and with their Ryders, too? Did they bring those with them? Why?) and Kayto was, once again, useless (but still rammed into the Actual destroying it. It's a bit too stretched on the "unbelievable" part). Not bothering to comment on the harem scene in the ending, where Sola miracolously acted human again.
Partially redeeming factor is Kuushana. At least she looks a bit awesome.

In terms of writing, there was no evolution from anyone. Compare that with Ava, or Sola, or basically every other character. Imho they were also a bit inconsistent - how they acted at the beginning of LibDay wasn't how they acted at the end of MoA. I don't recall Asaga being so possessive or jealous, nor Icari and Kryska being so close.

The main gripe I have with the storyline is that it's becoming a low-cost Mass Effect. I don't care about saving the universe, I wanted a game about war and moral choices.