Author Topic: Ruler by Default  (Read 5080 times)

Offline Oreo_Blue

Ruler by Default
« on: April 17, 2014, 05:23:09 am »
Another VN on Kickstarter and Steam Greenlight. The main theme kinda reminds me of "Outbreak Company". This one set the base goal of $6K, and have reached 1/3 of the base goal. Anyone interested in backing this one up? I myself still put this one on reminder since, I don't really interested with the characters' design and the lack of R18+ scene.

KickStarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1037128116/ruler-by-default-a-fantasy-life-simulation-visual?ref=card
Steam Greenlight: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=249369676

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Offline Vaendryl

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 08:21:29 am »
thanks for the heads-up. I don't really go out of my way to look for stuff like this so I appreciate somebody else doing the work for me :D

did back that one. not sure if it'll actually be good, but I'll take the shotgun approach with these projects. at least 1 is gotta be worth it, right? right?
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Offline mikebrand83

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 09:19:06 am »
I'm usually pretty casual about spelling and grammar on the interwebs.


But for a game being put up for crowd-funding, the rather glaring mistakes in the girls' character profiles are... A little harder to ignore.

Offline Oreo_Blue

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 09:33:26 am »
I'm usually pretty casual about spelling and grammar on the interwebs.
But for a game being put up for crowd-funding, the rather glaring mistakes in the girls' character profiles are... A little harder to ignore.

That and the "class and profession".

edit: I surely hope that the game will feature much better spelling and grammar :D
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Offline Commander Zaelthul

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 10:37:11 am »
Judging from the Kickstarter page...I'm not entirely sure how well this will work out.
They will achieve their goal but the execution of the development I'm rather worried about.

I'm going to sound like a prick here but I can't imagine this being too great. Looks rather like the general "Run of the mill" kind of VN. I haven't got that much expectations for this.
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Offline Ledabot

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 11:24:16 am »
What a bunch of cynics.  Am I the only one here that can read bad spelling?  :P You also can't say it's run of the mill if its not r rated. A real cash grab game would go for full sex appeal!


Edit: Sorry if I sound a bit offensive. I guess today I'm a  bit judgmental. Maybe I should be sleeping more, but then, my games wont play themselves....  :D
Then again, I did just read steam comments on the steamlight page. The whole "stop liking things I don't" thing is got to me a bit. they called it pedo porn! I really cant see any young girls anywhere. If Cosette heard that she'd tear the guys head off! (she's totally 16+ right?!)
 
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Offline Oreo_Blue

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 12:36:01 pm »
IMO, some VNs should have R18 scenes, and some don't need to. Sunrider doesn't need to have R18 scenes to make it a great game. It  already has a great story and tactical battle. However, VNs like "Kendo Crush!" and "Ruler by Default" should have some R18 scenes, they have the right theme and setting. Imagine if you watch Marvel's The Avengers movie without all of the bangs and booms. It just doesn't feel right.

Look at this screenshot, it basically screams that R18 scene is coming... :D
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Offline Lord Gorchnik

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 12:55:29 pm »
Your lord would like to inquire as to why you feel that certain visual novels have to have sex, porn, and/or other gratuitous acts of copulation in them and others don't?  Your example doesn't really hit the mark.  A story can be very well told, characters can grow, tensions can be formed/resolved, and conclusions can derive all without sex being needed.

Gorchnik just finds it interesting that having sex-scenes is one of the criteria you base backing a project or buying a game on and would be interested to hear more.

Offline Ledabot

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 01:14:15 pm »
Just to make the statement, it does say on the kickstarter page that their wont be r rated content. Rather indirectly, but it does strongly imply it. It's right at the bottom of the stretch goals in a rather comic way by the two girls.

"anything extra and we're making this rated R**!!"

"** We're not."

Is their some irony that Sunrider does have R content and the two games you mention as being better with it don't? I don't know how much we would lose or gain from the lack of or inclusion of R scenes, but I would really HATE it if they just got thrown in. Especially in VNs were the characters are very important, just tacking on something like that is almost insulting. What I'm trying to say is that R scenes need to be treated delicatly and really should be treated with extra care if they are going to be used at all.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 01:19:31 pm by Ledabot »

Offline The Loli Assassin

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 01:44:40 pm »
I agree that some VNs need R-18 scenes, and I think when Oreo says that games like Kendo Crush and Ruler by Default "need" R-18 scenes but Sunrider doesn't that he's right. Sunrider has it's massive story and battle engine to keep it interesting and fun, but it has it's R-18 scenes, I assume, to further draw you closer to your characters, while KC and RbD which might have great art and stories but don't have any (I feel kinda bad calling it this, but) pay off.

I think an excellent example of this is Katawa Shoujo, it didn't "need" any R-18 scenes and can be played with out them, but at the same time I think the characters feel a little more empty and distant if you don't have those scenes. In addition I feel like R-18 scenes (when done right) allow the player to feel closer to the characters.

I'm sure that there are people who will disagree with me on this topic, but I do know this; when I looked at Kendo Crush I was hard pressed to find reasons for me, personally, to back it; when I looked at Sunrider, I backed the game based solely on it's potential as a great space opera, then I added to my pledge after I played the demo and learned more about the game.
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Offline Oreo_Blue

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2014, 01:51:07 pm »
I don't actually decide to back / buy a game based on whether it has R18 scenes or not :D. For VNs the first thing I look at is the plot / story. If I think the plot is not that good, then I look for other things that might be good like artwork or music. The R18 scenes is the last thing I look for if there is nothing else that of interest for me.

For "Kendo Crush!" and "Ruler by Default", I feel like the story won't be that great. So I look at the artwork and music. Fortunately for "Kendo Crush!", I quite fond of the artwork and music. As for "Ruler by Default", the artwork and the music are not really to my liking. So, the only option left is the R18 scenes. Of course, the R18 scenes need to be placed at the right moment, not just thrown in excessively whenever there is a chance.

Yes, I do want "Kendo Crush!" to have R18 scenes. Looking at the game theme and setting, I think it would be great to have R18 scenes. But it's all just a bonus point for me. I still back "Kendo Crush!" despite them not having any R18 scenes.

@Ledabot: I wouldn't call it an irony :D. It's just a little disappointment.

Offline Lord Gorchnik

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 09:15:44 pm »
As for "Ruler by Default", the artwork and the music are not really to my liking. So, the only option left is the R18 scenes. Of course, the R18 scenes need to be placed at the right moment, not just thrown in excessively whenever there is a chance.

Gorchnik understands your reasoning, but the logic doesn't seem to be there.  If the gameplay doesn't look appealing, and the artwork doesn't look appealing, and the music aren't appealing to you, then it is quite safe to assume that these R-18 scenes you want will also not be appealing/good/tasteful for you.  In this case you are just tossing money at a product that you want/hope the creator will include said scenes.  Why not just go look at porn for free from elsewhere?

Please don't misunderstand Gorchnik; everyone is free to purchase and play what they like, and if that means a certain product has to have a certain feature, scene, or quirk in it to justify your purchase then so be it.  Your lord just strongly encourages you to stop and perhaps reconsider giving your money to a project just in the off-chance it will have a scene or detail that you think might save it.  If the whole 110% of the package (art, music, characters, direction, gameplay, etc) doesn't appeal to you then it is not worth funding.

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Offline Vaendryl

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2014, 12:08:48 am »
kickstarter doesn't allow 18+ content so the dev can't openly state it will have any. I think it probably will anyway :) and that goes for more than just this KS project.
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Offline Oreo_Blue

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2014, 12:25:10 am »
Gorchnik understands your reasoning, but the logic doesn't seem to be there.  If the gameplay doesn't look appealing, and the artwork doesn't look appealing, and the music aren't appealing to you, then it is quite safe to assume that these R-18 scenes you want will also not be appealing/good/tasteful for you.  In this case you are just tossing money at a product that you want/hope the creator will include said scenes.  Why not just go look at porn for free from elsewhere?

Ruler by Default's art is not really to my liking, and I've said that Sunrider's art is also not really to my liking. Out of three projects on this forum, I'll said that My Little Dictator's art is the closest to my taste, and Sunrider is my least favourite. However, that doesn't mean that I totally hate them, or they're total crap. If I totally dislike the art, then I won't even bother to ask for any type scenes :D.

Also, each artist have their own strenghts and weaknesses. While RbD and Sunrider "normal" character's design is not really to my liking, I really enjoy the chibified version of those characters. Who knew, maybe RbD artist is good at drawing R18 scenes. Sometimes, badly drawn R18 scenes can also be quite funny :D

I never thought that asking for R18 scenes will make me sounds like a total pervert :D. It's not about the porn, it's about challenge and skills. Drawing a standing / posing character is a basic thing for an artist. However, drawing R18 scenes is totally at a higher level. So, when I said that I want R18 scenes, it also meant that I want the artist to show the limit of their skill.

@Vaendryl: Yes, that might be the case. But without confirmation, I would rather keep my money :D.
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Offline Commander Zaelthul

Re: Ruler by Default
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2014, 02:08:53 am »
I never thought that asking for R18 scenes will make me sounds like a total pervert :D. It's not about the porn, it's about challenge and skills. Drawing a standing / posing character is a basic thing for an artist. However, drawing R18 scenes is totally at a higher level. So, when I said that I want R18 scenes, it also meant that I want the artist to show the limit of their skill.
Maybe they've been using References from DeviantArt or something and then just copy and paste (Just making a joke).
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