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Lord Ignatz

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2016, 11:29:11 am »
Rev's Secret Santa Gift




Beautiful! I didn't expect gifts to be ready this soon. That Kirimatsu guy is fast!


Sauron was quite heavily armored, but the fact that he was huge compared to other people as well as the fact that his armor looked menacing enhanced his portrayed power (along with that giant mace that released burst of power when smashing into people). Villains, however, often get away with such because they get to have armor that looks sinister, unlike heroes.

Funnily enough, Sauron's armor ended up being totally useless against Isildur's critical hit to his fingers. :P You're right about the intimidation part. Same goes for Darth Vader.


tl;dr It's a lot less cool to realistically have armored heroes fight in realistic ways than it is for people that look awesome to kick ass.

Most people think that realistic weapons, armor and fighting techniques are boring and have no aesthetic appeal, so flashy swordfights and coreographies are preferred instead. For example, this scene from Game of Thrones looked cool, but also a bit silly from a martial art perspective. Still okay for movie standards if you just enjoy awesome-looking stuff and don't like to deconstruct everything you see. Helicopter Oberyn, on the other hand, was just ridiculous and had nothing to do with the actual fight in the book.




To step back to my LotR example, it's hard to deny that Frodo getting jabbed in the abdomen with a polearm would produce no injury, despite the fact that all he wore was a plain cloth shirt and some mythril mail. While I'll wave of the bit about "he should have at least gotten a bruise," what's more strange is that he had no internal damage. Ribs are ridiculously easy to break, or at least fracture; a solid blow from someone's bare fist can do the trick. And, let's be honest, human (or hobbit, in this case) innards aren't exactly durable. Heck, trip and fall and you're likely to get a bruise, which is just internal bleeding near the surface. Get a piece of metal slammed into your side or, as in Frodo's case, jabbed into your abdomen and you're not going to be coming out of that all right as rain.
Why do I mention this? Because taking a blow without padding is a silly thing to do. Chain mail alone may prevent someone getting their gut slashed open or their chest getting impaled, but it won't absorb or displace enough of the shock to prevent internal damage. And really, even with padding and mail, a proper spear thrust will have enough force to put the unfortunate sod on the other end in a bad way, even if it doesn't outright skewer them.

tl;dr Chain mail doesn't prevent injuries from impact forces. No armor is perfect, and injuries happen regardless.

Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2016, 01:08:01 pm »
To be pedantic, Marx didn't say anything about impact - just that chain was perfectly fine for slashing attacks. Yes, there would still be some blunt force trauma, but slashing weapons would have much of the bite removed. Maces, on the other hand, are effective against all forms of armour since they are designed to crush.

On to GoT, I think that Oberyn's scene showed off that he was toying with the Mountain and not taking the fight as seriously as perhaps he should have. He was definitely toying around in the book as well, in his rage and desire to extract a confession, and visual media likes to show it... well, visually.

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2016, 01:18:35 pm »
To step back to my LotR example, it's hard to deny that Frodo getting jabbed in the abdomen with a polearm would produce no injury, despite the fact that all he wore was a plain cloth shirt and some mythril mail. While I'll wave of the bit about "he should have at least gotten a bruise," what's more strange is that he had no internal damage. Ribs are ridiculously easy to break, or at least fracture; a solid blow from someone's bare fist can do the trick. And, let's be honest, human (or hobbit, in this case) innards aren't exactly durable. Heck, trip and fall and you're likely to get a bruise, which is just internal bleeding near the surface. Get a piece of metal slammed into your side or, as in Frodo's case, jabbed into your abdomen and you're not going to be coming out of that all right as rain.
Why do I mention this? Because taking a blow without padding is a silly thing to do. Chain mail alone may prevent someone getting their gut slashed open or their chest getting impaled, but it won't absorb or displace enough of the shock to prevent internal damage. And really, even with padding and mail, a proper spear thrust will have enough force to put the unfortunate sod on the other end in a bad way, even if it doesn't outright skewer them.

tl;dr Chain mail doesn't prevent injuries from impact forces. No armor is perfect, and injuries happen regardless.

Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
Yeah but mithril. They hold that stuff in high regard over there in MiddleEarthville. And, more importantly, fiction ::)

At least Boromir was still weak to arrows though, right? :D

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Offline Marx-93

Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2016, 02:01:39 pm »
Padding is standard wherever you go though; even in late 18th century when armour was only used by Cuirassiers the infantry still carried padding. Even some peltast (the most light ancient infantry you can think of) sometimes carried them, not to say the "unarmoured" Persian infantry. And until plate armour, which was very expensive and required some advanced metallurgy to make, the best defence against impact attacks was the shield (thus why ancient shield are so big; not only to cover but to distribute the impact). Spears and axes would be stuck when trusting with too much force, thus trusting required either unparalleled mass (phalanx) or extremely close and accurate attacks (the roman gladius).

And even without that, it doesn't change that humankind went with "only mail" a lot more time than any other kind of armour, for almost a thousand years. And even after plate, only the richest men in arms had it, while the rest of heavy infantry went without it and "only" mail. While it's true that no armour is perfect and it had its downsdies, and that Hollywood can't into realistic fighting, it's also pretty clear that it's not "never been intended to be worn on it's own without some other form of armor as well".
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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2016, 10:37:49 pm »
I love how a topic about art gifts has turned into a discourse on medieval armor and weapons/combat. XD *gives thread a thumbs up*

And just to clarify; what red meant by "other armor" is the padding underneath, not necessarily things like plate and the like. (At least, that's how I understood him.)
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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2016, 07:32:51 pm »
Because Dee was such a swell guy and ran the Secret Santa PM so I could be surprised, heres a little D&Dee inspired pic as thanks~

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2016, 07:53:04 am »
Christmas bells toll throughout the lands. Snow falls softly from the heavens to clad children's streets in a faint, white veil of winter. Waifus exchange gifts with husbandos, side characters dance to music in the mid-to-background, and in one particular corner of the world an old-yet-new face rises to spread her merriment...~
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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2016, 11:14:18 am »
* WeAreTheMeta cheers!

I shall stop bothering the penguins...for now :P

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2016, 10:51:01 pm »
Well, didn't wanna double post, but it's either that or I wait for someone to post before giving the art
Sorry it wasn't done for Christmas, blame the timezone :P
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Offline AkioKlaus

Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2016, 03:03:15 am »
Oh my god that banner XD

XDD

also my art is getting delayed  because of FF15 and pokemons as well. D: Atleast you got it done >_>
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Offline AkioKlaus

Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2017, 06:39:20 am »
So I think the request may take a bit more but no worries.

For I have drawn one my self as a backup!

for Revo, who has kancolle as profile!

For my original plan, maybe mugshot was better than full body >_>
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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2017, 04:33:36 pm »
Aww thanks Akio! ~ I had not thought of Kurumi as a ship girl before :D Gives me a fun avatar to use when KanCollia 2 happens ;)
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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2017, 09:02:48 pm »
Hey it's been like two months, y'all mind giving me some sitreps so I know what's all happening with the arts?

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Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2017, 09:58:03 pm »
The artist I chose happened to go on holiday so it's going to take a little longer, but they're back and drawing again, so hopefully it'll be my turn soon :D

Offline Gamerjunkie

Re: Art Secret Santa 16
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2017, 04:28:43 pm »
My artist is working on coloring, but she's busier than she expected, what with the lunar new year and all. Should only be a week or two,  I think.
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